Still no luck with the printer 8|
Zelda's so lively and cool
Wow, this is interesting. I dont know if you answered this before, but where is this Zelda games timeline wise?
@AshFisher: I think its all original next to the obvious character names, and a couple terms/concepts. Hyrule wasn't surrounded by a desert. Its had a field, but the dessert was always some distance away.
Zelda's crumpled dress next to Link's extraaa long night shirt, super adorabs. Also nice tones! I love how these pages have progressed since the beginning.
Nooo poor Ganon! Just be friends with him, kid only needs a hug.
what's wrong with Ganon? I mean, you felt something when you touched him... ohgod.
Oh no, poor Ganny D8
You better have a good explanation to this hostility, Zelda >:O
Zelda looks so cute, I love how you made her hair.
I adore Zelda's design, she looks awesome!
And that, Zelda, my dear Princess, would be called 'chemistry'.
I love the use of shading to depict the night time, and how it's still dim inside even with light! Pretty accurate for a castle! Good luck with the next page!
Great job, as per usual! I like the way Zelda's bubble literally went over Link's. The differences in the lighting were really cool too; in the second to last panel, what's that sticking out of her hip?
Great idea on a new Zelda story, the art style is a little girly but I think it'll do for the unique idea. I'm hook and can't wait to read more.
well, all right then....so i guess this version of link doesnt have courage yet?
edit:also you switch the hand that Ganons triforce appears on. when quill sees it, it is on his left hand, then it is on his right hand when he shakes zeldas hand
Awww I love Zeldas design!!
Btw, because of this comic I fear I might start shipping Link and Ganon... which is something that I hoped I never would do...
@AshFisher: Yeah, that's true, also zelda is hot-headed and unwise, and ganon has no power... it's almost like there's room for character development?!
Also we're aware haha. The first time was a mistake, every other time it's shown up since then it's been on the right hand.
@creativedemi64: What is a 'girly' style and why is it bad?
Either way I'm glad 'it will do'.
@Hunter: it's a personal preference, nothing bad. I still like the comic anyways.
@creativedemi64: But what's a girly style and what makes it girly? D:
"Zelda I thought you where better than that"
Might want to change where to were.
lovely page though.
@Hunter: Um, So have you ever looked at comics that are done by men and comics that are done by woman, then compared them? When men draw, usually, they draw what they see and the only preference is their humor or sexual interest. This man is fat, this man is muscled, this woman is sexy, this woman is real ugly. They exaggerate the truth of our appearance. Also their characters are not easily mixed up, they all look different, easily to recognize who’s who. Woman usually draw what is pretty, they will very rarely draw a masculine style because they like pretty things. So their characters are mostly attractive, flowing hair, smooth features, and great cloths, all their characters look similar (it becomes harder to tell the characters apart or even their gender). Their men look feminine and rarely ugly because that’s what they, and their readers, want to see. I called your style girly because I had a hard time figuring out which character was which. If it wasn't for the hair style and choice of cloths the body make-up is very similar. Your line work is smooth and soft, though I did notice the rougher lines on Ganon, I liked that. But the feminine style is what I called girly. Like I said it's nothing bad, it's about preference. I labeled it because I'm always looking for a real good fan made Zelda comic. I'm really picky about the style and story and use of characters, many Zelda fan-made stories are not that good. But I really like yours. I'm just hoping that Link and Ganon will look more like men when they grow up, if they grow up that is, than look like masculine women.
Though because the story is such a great rendition of the original games that I mostly likely will keep reading it even if they are feminine. I'm just critiquing.
@creativedemi64: I wasn't going to comment on what was going on here, but I found the statement "men draw unique characters, women make everything look the same" so incredibly sexist I had to check this shit out. I also want to point out that this isn't a preference thing, characters that all look and act the same isn't "girl art" it's just "bad art", unless girl art IS bad art, which would be the implications here.
I'm not sure if I should feel bad that the undeveloped 10 year old boys I'm drawing don't look like beefy manrymen or the undeveloped 10 year old girls I'm drawing don't look like sexbombs. I'm always looking for crit but I'm having a hard time finding it here. I don't really think that Ganon looks like Link, or that Quill looks like Zelda or that any of them act the same way, but if they do, I would really like to know, because this isn't "girl art" traits, it's bad art traits.
I'm glad you like my story, and I guess as a comic I'm a storyteller first, but I would also like to be a good artist as well. I feel like the things I'm doing with the characters to make them look unique (other than hair and cloths) isn't good enough for you, "It'll do" is so increasingly insulting, I don't really know what to do with that, I would like to know what I can do to make it better.
@creativedemi64: I understand the bit about their body types being similar (as they're ten year old children who haven't hit puberty yet) and it being hard to tell them apart is a fair enough critique (i'm not actually the artist for the pages so i will let stephan respond to that), however I'm going to have to call bullshit on your assumption that men can draw real characters and women can only draw aesthetically pretty characters.
I have compared male and female artists and what you're saying just isn't true in the slightest. This is just so incredibly and blatantly sexist that I can't help but be offended by such a sweeping statement; that women only want pretty things and men only want substance (which is just not true if you look at any male-drawn mainstream comics, ever).
some girl artists:
some male artists:
This is just off the top of my head. Not to mention that a ton of shoujo manga artists are men while lots of shounen manga artists (Full Metal Alchemist, for instance) are women. Women do not draw differently than men and this statement / mind-set hurts the industry and all artists. This is a preconception because this is what people think girls want, everything made for girls is made 'pretty' 'frilly' 'pink'; this is what the industry gives them and what they're told is acceptable to be like (an industry full of men, creating for girls). This isn't even just a problem in the art world, but in the north american mindset overall.
@Stephan: @Hunter: I didn't mean to offend or appear sexist, you wanted to know what I, me, myself described Girly as so I tried to explain. I did misword my meaning and even though I'm attempt to educate myself in writing a bit more, I'm still not so good at it, obviously. If Girly was a bad term I'd be bashing my own art work. And I never said all women and men draw like that, I said some. If you want a better word for Girly I meant i can change it to beautiful, whimsical, mesmerizing. The term for genderification is more based on formalistic style than sexist implications. Your style, based on my preference and views as a fine artist, is very feminine and pleasing to the eye. I'm not making acuzations to your own gender or belittling gender in general. It's just a style I perceive as such. If your going to fight on it then I have no purpose in arguing because I enjoy reading comics on smackjeeves for pleasure and relaxation. Please accept my apology of incompetence and understand that love your work and don't intend harm. I also now understand that your availability and understanding to critiques is foreshortened.
@creativedemi64: I'm not trying to fight with you and I don't know why you think I am? You said that it wasn't something you liked, but that it "would do", I want to know what you think I could do to make it better, all the things you described my style as being in your previous comment are not things I'm going for.
"the art style is a little girly but I think it'll do"
when asked what girly is:
"Woman usually draw what is pretty, they will very rarely draw a masculine style because they like pretty things. So their characters are mostly attractive, flowing hair, smooth features, and great cloths, all their characters look similar (it becomes harder to tell the characters apart or even their gender). "
"I called your style girly because I had a hard time figuring out which character was which."
You can't follow it up with "it's not bad", because everything you're describing is bad. I'm not trying to attack you, I just want to not make bad things, you seem to have a strong opinion on what makes them that way and I want to know what you think I can do with my art to make it better.
@Stephan: CREATIVEDEMI64 definitely used poor word choice. Even if more girls did draw in the way he suggested and more boys in the other way he suggested, obviously it's not fair for people to feel like they should or will naturally draw a certain way simply because of their sex.
But I think he made pretty clear on his comment that he wasn't trying to use the terms to box in the sexes. While he does feel females tend to draw a certain way and men another, he's not suggesting that all men or women do it. Also, in his second comment he made it clear that, though he used gender as a measure, that wasn't really what was important. That's just how it kind of came together in his mind but it didn't really need to relate to gender. For example, I can see a comic filled with flowers and a love story and see it as 'girly'. Now not all girls will enjoy that theme and many boys will (and shouldn't have to be ashamed of it), but that's just kind of naturally how I would see it.
Should he use the terms 'girly' and 'manly'? No. Absolutely not. Is he right that girls tend to draw that one and boys the other? I'm not sure. I don't care, it doesn't really affect anything. You asked what he meant and he explained what he meant by 'girly'. Now you may not think the term 'girly' is a good term (I sure don't) and you may not think your drawing fits his feelings towards it.
But if you stop judging what he's going to say because his word choice comes across sexist and look at the actual content of his words, I think it's pretty clear he's not trying to criticize anyone, NOR is he trying to say that all women draw one way and all men draw another.
@creativedemi64: I'm not personally being critiqued here but I think stephan's response to what you said regarding their art was polite. They can take critique well and I think asking what they can do to make their art better is a perfectly reasonable request. I, who am not the artist of this comic, still do not understand your correlation of 'girly' to 'most characters women draw look the same'. You were very clear in your first post with what you meant and I don't think being a fine artist is an excuse to make the generalizations you did. I'm not discussing your critique at all and never was, I'm discussing your opinions on what you think 'feminine' art is versus 'masculine' art and why it isn't just 'art'. I would recommend in the future though if you have a critique just come out and say it, instead of trying to sugar coat it by saying 'well it's okay because you're a girl' or 'its a girly style and girly styles don't need to be good'. Just state 'you characters look the same'. This is a fair thing to say, I'm more concerned with how horribly you dragged gender into it.
You said: 'they [women] will very rarely draw a masculine style', which by your own definition stated earlier in the post is 'they exaggerate the truth of our appearance. Also their characters are not easily mixed up, they all look different, easily to recognize who’s who'. Having characters differentiated from each other is a fundamental to good design. Drawing what you see if a necessary fundamental to being an artist at all. Exaggerating the truth is something that all artists do across the board, not just men. i don't know if you're main frame of reference is marvel and DC comics but if it is then i don't anyone could tell those characters apart if it weren't for their hair styles and garishly coloured costumes, something you accused of being exclusive to women and their art.
I just can't wrap my head around your insistence that formal style for women is inherently beautiful, mesmerizing, etc, because this is also a complete falsity and has been since the renaissance. Being flowy or pleasing to the eye does not equate femininity. Even ignoring your previous statements about modern comics and female artists drawing 'mostly attractive, flowing hair, smooth features, and great cloths, all their characters look similar (it becomes harder to tell the characters apart or even their gender)', this still doesn't pan out. Mucha and Da Vinci drew exclusively beautiful artworks of women and similarly looking men and were never seen as having 'girly' art styles or allowed to draw bad art because it's girly.
I'm sorry if this is getting long but I can't get over your opinion, I'm aware that it's that, an opinion, but it seems to be based entirely on non-existent facts.
@creativedemi64: "I also now understand that your availability and understanding to critiques is foreshortened."
Dude! Their understanding of critiques is getting larger as they move forward in perspective! That is SO COOL.
@Ziblie: lmao. Exactly.
@creativedemi64: "I also now understand that your availability and understanding to critiques is foreshortened."
1. If it's being foreshortened, it is getting larger the closer it is getting to the viewer, so their understanding of crit would be getting greater the closer it gets to you. I don't think this is what you mean. Please look up the big words you want to use before you use them.
2. The artist has asked for crit twice, and you have refused to give it to them. I'm not sure I've ever seen someone refuse to give someone to crit and then try to pull the "well you just can't take crit" bullshit everyone falls back on when they're called out on being an idiot.
3. People like you are the reason everyone else in the art world thinks fine artists are full of crap.
I just picked this up and it's good! Link's nightgown is cute on him~